Monday, October 1, 2012

arts of the possible

Many of the comments to my previous post illustrate to me why the current progressive attitude toward the Obama administration's conduct in the Muslim world is so dangerous and fundamentally antidemocratic.

First is the tendency to take the greatest weakness of our two party system-- when it fails to present meaningful alternatives on issues of considerable controversy-- and render it a kind of twisted defense of that system. Because I am not presented an acceptable alternative by the two parties, many commenters say, I must simply get on board with the side that offers a superior alternative in other areas. This is a kind of aggressive, learned helplessness, a Stockholm syndrome of democracy. I am to get on board because I have no choice. And this is to me a straightforward acceptance of democracy's demise, and one that abdicates all responsibility. The truth is that while I may not have an individual choice, we have a collective choice. The Democrats could end their addiction to the prosecution of violence against Muslims. We are responsible for our own conduct. We do have alternatives. Obama does have alternatives. It is our duty to judge him for his failures to choose something better.

Next is an almost perfect inversion of the previous: if I say that I want an alternative, I must be able to articulate a fully implementable democratic action plan or else keep quiet. Whereas in the previous argument I must keep quiet because I am powerless, in this argument I must keep quiet because I am not all-powerful. This is a truly bizarre understanding of democracy. In no other issue can I recall anyone arguing this way. Certainly, no one treats our inability to articulate a fully practical political plan for ending global warming as an excuse not to talk about the issue at all. You do the long work of democracy by arguing your moral position even when you have no immediately obvious plan. Perhaps especially then.

I am deeply disturbed at how the blogging ethic of 100% self-certainly impacts the discussion of these issues. The idiom of Lawyers Guns and Money, for example, has become a thick lacquer of haughty contempt, a kind of carefully crafted professorial superiority. The LGM mode is to present yourself as someone who has always already arrived at the political truth, and anyone who has not yet arrived at your state of cynical savvy must be a rube who has to be talked down to. This pose makes self-criticism impossible. A related variety is Tbogg, a man who has worked so relentlessly to project a sarcastic knowingness that he strikes me as literally incapable of self-critical inquiry. And with those whose first political conviction is to demonstrate their pose of settled questions and obvious answers, the tendency is always to destroy stridency. Stridency suggests that there is moral work left to be done in our political deliberations; it is antithetical to those who are so dedicated to representing themselves as fully realized, unerring political consciousnesses. This is why people hate Conor Friedersdorf: his stridency and direct talk of right and wrong is incompatible with the now universal progressive attitude of haughty superiority.

Since 9/11, the United States has waged a relentless campaign of collective punishment against the Muslim world. For years, liberals and Democrats have represented themselves as the principled opposition to that campaign. The Obama administration has not curtailed that campaign. There are still thousands of American troops in Iraq. The number of US troops in Afghanistan is twice that of when Obama took office. And his administration has dramatically expanded the breadth of our campaign of assassination and death from above, without judicial or political review. Despite all the talk in my comments of how this represents some sort of tough moral choice, Democrats constantly celebrate this expansion on the campaign trail. The DNC was an orgy of self-congratulation for Democratic toughness and aggression. If the campaign of assassination and violence against Muslims is some sort of ugly compromise, perhaps someone should tell the campaign managers that.

Someday, our post-9/11 conduct will be seen as one of the great evils of American history. As is always the case, those looking back will wonder loudly how it could have happened here, why decent people did nothing to stop it. The rationalization and justification present in prominent online liberalism is the answer. And it is for this reason that liberals and Democrats are now excoriating a tiny group of politically powerless people who have insisted on resistance. In that resistance lies the logic of democracy, and it means both nothing and everything.

128 comments:

James said...

I think your analysis was absolutely spot-on, right up until the final paragraph.

"Someday, our post-9/11 conduct will be seen as one of the great evils of American history. As is always the case, those looking back will wonder loudly how it could have happened here, why decent people did nothing to stop it."

People don't yet wonder this about Hiroshima and Nagasaki, so I wouldn't hold your breath.

Kanamit said...

"Whereas in the previous argument I must keep quiet because I am powerless, in this argument I must keep quiet because I am not all-powerful. This is a truly bizarre understanding of democracy. In no other issue can I recall anyone arguing this way. Certainly, no one treats our inability to articulate a fully practical political plan for ending global warming as an excuse not to talk about the issue at all."

If there were a rash of bloggers declaring that they wouldn't vote for Obama because of his failure to pass Cap and Trade and his frankly poor record on environmental regulation you'd see the same arguments. The issue isn't speaking out against drone strikes, it's abstaining from the electoral process because of drone strikes.

squarelyrooted said...

I think I'm a little confused.

Are we talking about for which party/candidate one should vote in November?

Or are we talking about a broader, deeper, more holistic idea of "supporting" one side or another?

I speak only for myself here, but I think it was Edward Chambers who said something like "you spend 364 days a year fighting like hell for everything you believe in, and one day a year holding your nose and voting for the least-worst option on the ballot."

I'm not sure what the difficulty with that kind of philosophy is, unless you infuse voting with much more significance than it need entail.

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JK said...

I do absolutely agree with you that haughty superiority is a real problem in the blogosphere.

Matthew said...

This is better. I would like to nitpick a bit before getting to the substance of the post--
First of all, I can only speak for myself here, but I dislike Friedersdorf (I don't really hate him) because he's a libertarian, not because he talks about morality.One thing that's gotten lost in the discussion he sparked is that Friedersdorf probably wouldn't support the President even if he had a better foreign policy because of his domestic policy. Also, our "post-9/11 conduct" is pretty much in line with our pre-9/11 conduct going all the way back to McKinley. I don't think you can blame "prominent online liberalism" for that.

Anyway, I still think there's a problem here with your understanding of LGM's position. They do not oppose, and are not arguing against, discussion of the Democrats' awful foreign policy. In fact, I would say they support activism and movement building to change that foreign policy (Erik Loomis has a post on what that might involve). What they are saying is that abstaining from voting for Obama would not contribute to that change in any way, and may very well detract from it.
Moreover, I think a lot of their frustation--and this is what Solnit was saying--comes from the fact that the only thing you seem to be doing about the violent foreign policy you claim to care about so much is complaining about it on the internet, and it seems to them that this serves more to make you feel better than it does to help any of those poor Muslims. I don't think that's fair, but it's an understandable point of view, and I would point out that the "long work of democracy" involves a lot more than just "arguing your moral position". If all any leftists did was talk/blog, we'd never get anywhere.

JK said...

http://www.salon.com/2012/10/01/will_mitt_run_on_torture/

Curious what you make of that.

JK said...

Matthew, why don't you care about dead babies?

Christ, we could play this game all day.

Anonymous said...

"We have no choice"

But the argument is; even if 'paper or plastic' is a limited choice, it's still a choice.

Frustrating as it may be, the obots have a point.

I am not defending the self-appointed Posse of thread harmony at BJ, but there is 2010, which further hobbled Obama, as their inspiration for keeping folks charged up enough to show at the Polls.

Just as our Judicial system is imperfect, so too, the Election process.

Many guilty go free because of the burden of the Prosecution, and rightly so, because that's the trade-off. Due process minimizes the prospect of the innocent being unjustly convicted. I don't have the stats on the ratio; not sure there are any. But, I will use the marker that 100 guilty should go free if 1 innocent is not convicted.

We have a system which seems to say a 3rd Party equals doom. After 2000, we can certainly see there was a big diff between Gore and Bush.

I am hopeful a 2nd Term brings out Obama Unchained, but will be happy if Congress simply does their job. There is no way I'm lettin' Romney in.

Ben Franklin

brian said...

im curious about this big difference between gore and bush. like, how are they different? i mean, sure it's different to compare the actual bush record to whatever made up record we would like to give gore -- he'd stop global warming and we'd never have a recession. but, when we compare bush and obama when it comes to the war on terror, they're the same. when we compare bush and clinton's policy towards the banking and real estate system, they're the same.

Anonymous said...

"this big difference between gore and bush.'

Assuming you're addressing my point, I can think of three things off the top of my head;

1. Bush tax cuts

2. Iraq.

3. Cheney's gift to gas industry and 'Fracking'

Ben Franklin

Rob said...

We saw some of the know-it-all smugness from members of the Serious People class druing the breakout of the Occupy protests last year, demanding that they immediately put forward a complete and cogent plan to implement reform. The movement was seen as "disorganized", "without a goal", "directionless", etc. Such criticisms ignore what you rightly emphasize here, and that is that there should always be room for unfettered and unconstrained criticism, free from the constraints of having to provide a comprehensive, exhaustive program. This enables creativity and room to explore ideas which might not come up otherwise, and can result in novel solutions.

Those resisting such criticisms and observations might do so out of concern that their authoritative positions as experts on certain issues not be threatened.

Somewhat related to your discussion, I was reminded of this passage from a rather good article:
Liberalism has long defined itself from a position of expertise and wisdom that it justifies as meritocracy, and for which it keeps reflexively congratulating itself. Whether lampooning populist farmers as rank yokels, or giving way to a thrilling panic about coast-to-coast violence, or patronizing millions of people’s supposed misguided tropisms, or even, like Lepore, subjecting right-wing enthusiasms to the reflective, nuanced consideration identical with today’s high-quality journalism, liberal claims to a monopoly on knowledge may be even more undemocratic than conservatives’ policies for distributing wealth upward.
http://bostonreview.net/BR35.5/hogeland.php

ifthethunderdontgetya™³²®© said...

you spend 364 days a year fighting like hell for everything you believe in, and one day a year holding your nose

In my experience, the "hold your nose" crowd also spends the other 364 days a year telling people to shut up about Obama's drone strikes, because Ralph Nader, that's why.
~

trizzlor said...

You certainly have a persuasive argument but I think you're starting to willfully conflate the positions of your critics. The push-back you are getting is absolutely not related to your opinions on drone strikes. LGM, Adam Serwer, and even the dreaded Balloon Juice actively criticize Obama's foreign policy decisions. Rather, the push-back is on your proposed response, which is not to vote. This has been the focus of your critics, who have repeatedly pointed to history showing that coalitions are not built by abstaining from the democratic process, and marginal third party voting does not magically yield a more preferred candidate (often the opposite).

Your claim that "if I say that I want an alternative, I must be able to articulate a fully implementable democratic action plan or else keep quiet" is an absolute cop out. You have presented an alternative - not voting for the best candidate that can win - and that alternative has been criticized as unworkable and counterproductive. Rather than respond to those criticisms you're hiding behind a ludicrous claim of being not all-powerful. You have not cited a single person demanding that you "articulate a fully implementable democratic action plan", because they're not. They're demanding that you justify the one democratic action you've so far proposed and then spent three posts tip-toeing around.

IM said...

Three points:

First,

while you are certianly part of an powerless minority, Tbogg, LGM and Metrosexual Manichean Monster DougJ are quite powerless too. Arguing that your fellow front pagers and commenters at BJ somehow repress you is silly.

Second,

a majority of americans probably supports the military violence in Afghanistan, Pakistan etc. So your position being oignored is hardly a failure of the system. In this case the system represents the majorityof the population.

Third,

you really shouldn't complain about the tone of your interlocutors, It they have an attitude of haughty knowledge, you certainly follow a rehetorical strategy that makes you into the last moral man in the USA and them into: Manichean Monsters.

Argive said...

You're giving the people at Balloon Juice, LGM and Tbogg WAY too much credit. We're talking about a handful of people here. I don't think that the fact that some Balloon Juice commenters were really really mean to you in a few comment threads is at all representative of what Democrats at large are doing. This post strikes me as more of a complaint of how people on the Internet can be major assholes (which is surely true).

Politically speaking, the Internet is a fishbowl. People who go to blogs like this one, LGM and Tbogg are generally people who are the most involved and the most passionate. The rule of commenting online is that 90% of people who read a blog never comment. Of the 10% remaining who do comment only 1% do so with regularity. People have their opinions and they love to argue. It's no wonder that somebody like that might not change their mind easily.

In your previous post, you said that you've tried talking with establishment liberals and then provided Tbogg and Balloon Juice comment threads as examples. But if you think that it is wrong for the US to engage in drone warfare, you are probably wasting your time arguing with people on the Internet. Most people in this country don't even read blogs, let alone comment on them. Convince those people that it's wrong for Obama to use drones. That starts at the grassroots, takes years, and it's hard work. One of Erik Loomis' arguments that I haven't seen anybody engage is that grassroots action is the only way to affect any kind of lasting change; throwing up your hands and voting for a third party does nothing. If you don't believe that, read about the decades of organizing that had to happen before the civil rights movement could claim any victories. Read about what people like William Lloyd Garrison, Wendell Phillips and Frederick Douglass had to do before anyone would even listen to them, let alone talk seriously about ending slavery. Or read about the single-minded dedication of the people who ran temperance groups like the WCTU and Anti-Saloon League. Changing minds is hard, hard work, but it can be done. Just not by arguing on the Internet.

ifthethunderdontgetya™³²®© said...

It is the lesser evil crowd that needs to prove the efficacy of their actions, before demanding same from someone else.

We've had 30 years of both the lesser evil and the greater evil getting more evil. In spite of elections we overwhelmingly win, such as 2006 and 2008.

Exhibit A is President Obama.

The mechanism isn't that hard to understand.

"Republicans fear their base, and Democrats despise theirs."

See the primary election of Christine O'Donnell and loss of the Delaware Republican Senate seat as an example of the former.

On the other hand, we have a majority of liberals, who claim to oppose drone strikes on civilians, Social Security cuts, the Bush-Cheney Obama USA PATRIOT Act, the Bush-Cheney-Obama tax cuts, and the Obama protection/enrichment of Wall Street banksters, all lining up to shout down anyone who won't vote for Obama.

Principles? No wonder the corporatists who control the Democratic party don't give a shit about your principles. You make it easy for them.

I voted for Obama in 2008 in the primary and general, but I'm voting for Jill Stein this year. Obama proved to me that this "less evil" nonsense doesn't work.
~

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Anonymous said...

Again, the problem is the drone strikes in particular and Obama's foreign/military policies in general. The problem is NOT that there are mean, partisan, sarcastic, fanatical Obama supporters on a couple of (in the great scheme of things) obscure websites.

Really, you think you are the only one out there who is sick to his stomache by the continuation or even escalation of the Bush drone and other policies? Plenty of folks, liberal and radical, feel the same way. And plenty of us also feel like that voting for Obama would be ratifying those horrible policies. Some of us (not me, by the way) will hold their nose and vote for him anyway, cuz they think the alternative is worse. Some won't. We'll vote third party or not at all.

What else is new? Congratulations! You have just discovered, apparently, what every liberal voter has known (if he's old enough) since at least the 1948 election. You can vote for Henry Wallace and, perhaps, help contribute to a Republican victory. Or you can vote for a Democrat who isn't much better. Other than the elction of 1972, that has been the state of play in presidential elections for a long, long time.

And, yeah, if you publicly state that voting for this year's Truman is not your bag, partisans will snipe at you. And, since the advent of the internet, some of the sniping will come from websites. Daily Kos, et al certainly were no nicer to Nader voters in 2000 than the Balloonjuicers are being to you. What does it matter? Do what you think is right. Defend your course of action, and respond with reason and respect to those who do so to you, and simply ignore the mockers.

Do you really need to be told all this? Sometimes it seems that you are either incredibly naive, or have an incredibly thin skin, or, perhaps, that there is some truth to the notion that you are preening. Bad people are out there, check. Some of them are Obama supporters, check. We got that. Can we move on now?

John Emerson said...

This is somewhat on your previous post, but my fear is that the Democratic Party is being renormed, with peace Democrats and civil libertarian Democrats ejected from the party in the same way that moderate Republicans were ejected from their party. Plenty of Democrats, certainly the domiannt group, are not lesser-evilers -- they like it all.

One deal that might be offered is, save Social Security and Medicare in exchange for everything else. But Obama is even squishy about those.

Anonymous said...

Militarism pervades the US of A. The reasons for this are many. The solution? Much less discernible. History isn’t kind to falling empires, even ostensibly democratic ones.

David Glynn said...

Hi,

I just discovered your blog and have spent the last couple of hours reading it.

You seem like a pretty damn decent human being. Keep it up.

lawguy said...

I've tried to make the some of same points, although not so eloquently.

"Do you not understand the simplest things." That seems to be their argument. If you did then surely you would agree with them. Since you don't agree with them you must not be very bright.

I get it all the time. It doesn't matter that I've helped organize unions and worked in different political campaigns off and on for over 40 years I am still just naive.

Anonymous said...

First off, some of these folks are straight operatives (e.g. David Atkins). And if the suffering hasn't gotten bad enough for Americans to take to the streets, it sure hasn't gotten bad enough for a handful of educated, professional bloggers. Either the present bipartisan consensus, including even more egregious austerity measures coming down the pike, doesn't affect them or they're in fact benefitting from the depressing status quo. Either way, they often have as little contact with real America as any Beltway villager.

Another point is that partisan identity is akin to church membership. They see you as naive b/c you've fallen away from the fold. They're not only terrified of GOP bogeymen, they're equally scared of becoming fallen dems without a church or prophet. This would involve acknowledging that both parties are pied-pipering us right into the abyss. Better to drink the cheap liquor of faith as long as possible.

Ned Ludd said...

This is becoming a farce.

First of all, Steve M. addressed you directly on his blog with a response to your question "What should we do?"-- organize and be active. I know you saw it because you show up in the comments with an infantile screed amounting to "I tried that but it's too hard."

Which brings me to my second point. You characterize yourself and Freidersdorf as "strident" in your opposition to drone strikes, and yet you both seem entirely focused on low-effort, low-value, cheap-talk tactics in the form of simply casting a vote in a presidential election and posting on liberal blogs. You've yet to suggest anything yourself that has any logical appeal to actually accomplish a reduction in these attacks. Doesn't seem very "strident" to me.

Laura said...

I spent eighteen months volunteering for Obama's campaign, working for the most part with the homeless and youngsters, most of whom were registering for the first time. In other words, I was committed. I'm withholding my vote next month in protest because of my moral conviction based on Obama's record on human rights and civil liberties. I won't vote for the "lesser of two evils" because that would be a contradiction. The ridicule and shaming I receive is astounding; it makes middle school bullying seem like a walk on the beach.

I would vote third party but hopefully our protest votes will be noticed as such.

I made a short video in an attempt to show the dilemma I face.

storytellingproductions.com

Anonymous said...

Freddie,

I think you've characterized this all pretty well. I've seen evidence in every blog that I still have bookmarked from the 2008 election. And, those bookmarks are the tightly curated remainder after I purged those committed to the Clinton vs Obama blog wars. There were still a few who were uncommitted to either primary candidate and continued to deal with the policy positions espoused by each. And, it is the tightly curated remainder where I'm seeing these head-in-the-sand arguments occur. Depressing.

If I dare go a bit meta... Before its shuttering, Open Left was a microcosm of nearly this same debate. And, it was so even just before Obama formally became the the Democrats candidate going into the election. Pressure on Obama was always "not now." "It's never a good time."

Ostensibly, the site shuttered because its principals moved on to other things. In retrospect, I wonder if it wasn't an early indicator of a fracturing among the principals that is now coming to be reflected among Democratic voters.

I do see a continuum developing. In the comments, at least, there does seem to be more than two sides - although, effectively, the election results may not reflect that in 2012. Some folks in 2012 are where I was in 2008. Where I was in 2008 is nowhere near where I am in 2012. This movement of voters may be proceeding slowly and be below the surface, but the evidence for it is there if one cares to look. And, I think that evidence is apparent - particularly - to those who are the most demonstrably frightened of any apostasy.

With respect to the stalking you're being forced to endure, all I can say is I am terribly sorry this is happening to you. Absolutely, people should respect the difference between your activism and your employment. Hopefully, the sentiments of academic freedom will prevail. It's all just too reminiscent of the Malkin-countertops debacle. Dismally depressing.

- bystander

ifthethunderdontgetya™³²®© said...

You've yet to suggest anything yourself that has any logical appeal to actually accomplish a reduction in these attacks.

Ned, here's two things:

1) Don't vote for the guy who authorized the drone strikes.

2) Don't try to shout down people who object to the drone strikes.

How's that?
~

Anonymous said...

Newest post doesn't have comment link. is that deliberate?

Ned Ludd said...

Ifthe...,

Those are two things alright, but they don't seem to have much logical appeal to actually accomplish anything substantive. Maybe (2) does in a long-game, roundabout way.

Look, the sad truth is that in America today it seems that drone strikes are a political winner. By all indications, the majority of the voting population supports them. We need to turn that around.

The problem with "voting your conscience" is that voting is really a poor-quality signal. No one will know (or likely care) why you voted the way you did, or even if you voted at all. All we'll know is who won and who lost. Elections are the cashing in of political capital accumulated through the daily grind of public discourse. By the time you cast your vote, the game has already been played.

What you're going to have to do is bring large numbers of active voters around to your position. There's just no way around that. Blogging (or commenting) is perhaps a start. But if you're getting a hostile reaction, that should maybe be a sign that you're doing it wrong.

Ned Ludd said...

But if you're getting a hostile reaction, that should maybe be a sign that you're doing it wrong.

You know, I shouldn't have said that. It may also just be a sign of how huge an effort it's really going to be to move this forward.

Susan of Texas said...

So we need to figure out how to move it forward. But I think we are discovering that either a lot of liberals don't really believe in our supposed values or a lot of liberals think the best way to enforce their values is to hand them over to their authority for safe-keeping. These are different problems that require different tactics.

Either we try to eliminate automatic obedience to authority (impossible via blogs) or try to enforce our own values on the rest of the liberals. Which is also impossible via blogs. Therefore we need to use their authoritarianism against them; that is, we make them want to join us instead of trying to force them to leave their side.

And I have no idea how to do that, short of finding a rocket scientist/neurosurgeon/rock star with a band to lead us and take our sparkle pony brigade act on the road.

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