If I didn't believe in the value and importance of political blogging I wouldn't spend any of my time on it, or on critiquing it. And if I felt that the people I write about most weren't worth critiquing I wouldn't bother. I think that political blogging, and many political bloggers, are worth investing in. But I am saddened and angered by the lack of accountability and quality control levers within the profession. Let me show you what I mean.
Here's Yglesias at his best, on education, a topic on which he and I have great disagreements:
My father dropped out of high school in the middle of 10th grade. As it happens, my father went on to have a successful career as a novelist and screenwriter and is by no means poor. Still the fact of the matter is that my mother could help me with my high school math homework and my dad couldn’t, since he has very little formal math education. A person who grows up in a household headed by a single mother who didn’t complete high school is going to be at a significant educational disadvantage vis-a-vis a person who grows up in a household with two college educated parents for reasons that are not going to be solved by a transfer of financial resources to the single mother. Similarly, a person whose parents were both raised in Latin America and don’t speak English is going to be at a substantial disadvantage. Literate English-speaking parents do a lot to teach their kids to read and write, parents who don’t speak English and may have limited literacy in their native language aren’t able to do this.This is smart, and the kind of smart that reminds you why it's worth sticking with Yglesias through his less well-developed ideas, and why his prominent role in the political blogosphere is on balance a good thing. I'm not particularly pleased with the reference to common sense on what is an empirical question, but that's no big deal. I think he's making trenchant observations about how conventional wisdom can be distorted or distorting. This kind of thinking is the beginning of inquiry-- you've got to follow up with your empiricism-- but perfectly legitimate and necessary, and an example of the best kind of policy generalism, which is necessary for a functional democracy. You'll note, incidentally, that here Yglesias is moving in the direction of complexity.
Here's Yglesias at his worst, on education:
my experience is that a lot of people on the left, rather than arguing the merits of the issue, seem to take it as self-evidently un-progressive to try to improve the performance of a public agency in part by doing things that the people who work at the agency don’t like. When it comes to big city police departments, I think a much healthier attitude exists. Not one that says cops shouldn’t have rights in the workplace or that “cops are bad,” but one that recognizes a substantial tension between the liberal desire to have police departments work well and the police officers’ desire for high levels of job security and low levels of accountability.I should hardly have to tell you that this is a specious and childish comparison, one that distorts more than it clarifies. There are a vast amount of difference between education and policing. As happens so often, his commenters just absolutely school him here, so you can look to them for a comprehensive set of critiques of this post. To stake out my usual position, I would just add that Yglesias continues to ignore (despite having heard this critique many times) that there are persistent and non-trivial epistemelogical difficulties in measuring teaching quality fairly, accurately, and to our practical good, and that accordingly we have far more reliable information about best practices in policing than we do in education. Also, criticisms of policing don't actually take the form of calls for widespread privatization, nor the destruction of police unions, which are the goals of the education reform movement and are transparently conservative/libertarian. You'll note, incidentally, that here Yglesias is moving in the direction of simplicity.
What I want is to get more of the former and less of the latter. I'm just one person, so my opinion individually should naturally be of little consequence. But there should be some mechanism of accountability through which the mass can influence professional bloggers. And you'd certainly like that system of accountability to privilege factual accuracy, reference to empiricism, and an appropriate acknowledgment of complexity.
The problem is that there's simply no reliable mechanism of accountability in political blogging to deal with the dross. People say that the oppositional ideologies within the blogosphere ensures pushback, but as I've been trying to document, that doesn't really happen. Social capture happens. Professional incentives distort. The think tank and media distortions in professional punditry, such as the massive over-representation of libertarianism in comparison to the number of American libertarians, upset the balance. Yglesias's commenters are often a good check on his laziness, but they are very easy to ignore, and he does. The Center for American Progress certainly doesn't seem to be imposing any accountability for him; they don't appear to ask him for accuracy or quality control. (They did, however, hijack his blog when he criticized Third Way, which should tell you something about CAP.) There are those few critics such as me, but I'm also ignorable, and there are standard measures to delegitimize people like me, such as the ubiquitous insistence on personal vendetta.
I just don't see any particular set of incentives or penalties for your average political blogger. This is exacerbated by the manic pace of blogging, which means that most posts are quickly forgotten, so there's little opportunity for public accountability. It frustrates me when professional bloggers don't evolve or improve, but I can't really blame them, as there's no concrete reasons for them to change.
I will be the first to tell you that knowledge making in the university system is imperfect. Many people can recount all the ways in which the publication/peer review/tenure process is politicized, detrimental to teaching, distorting, and inimical to certain kinds of inquiry or topics. But there is at least a clear process here. If I want to make an article and have it resonate professionally, I have to publish in a reputable journal. The editors of the journal will give my proposal an initial vetting. They reject many or most. If I get through that original vetting, my paper goes through the peer review process. The peer reviewers make comments and set standards. I have to change my article in order for it to be published. Once it's published, it's accessible to a field of experts who will evaluate it for quality and accuracy. If I'm wrong, others will publish criticizing me. Publication is rare enough that every piece really counts. If my work is consistently poor or inaccurate, it will deeply impact my ability to get hired, to gain tenure, and earn promotion and professional laurels. It's an imperfect system, but it's a system with a clear set of quality control levers that are directly tied to professional advancement. There simply is no equivalent system in political punditry. See the careers of, for example, Bill Kristol and Jeffrey Goldberg for evidence.
Oh, by the way: Yglesias's comparison is more apt than he knows in one particular way. As so often happens with policing, the inevitable result of the ed "reform" movement will be juking the stats. These educational problems are irresolvable given the realities of our system of resource distribution, inequities in quality of parenting, and the unspeakable but real fact that people are substantially unequal in intellectual aptitude. But since our society is incapable of recognizing that we don't have the tools to solve all of our problems, we instead cover those problems with pleasant lies. There is absolutely no question in my mind that the educational reform wars will cool through a consensus decision to pretend the problems away.
The question is, will we do so in a way that destroys unions, harms teachers, and hands yet more public over to private enterprise-- dare I say it, a self-evidently unprogressive outcome.
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I find that peer review is a pretty poor model. There is an awful lot of gate keeping based upon factors other than merit. Any such model applied to blogging would end up with the same elite or a different and probably worse one controlling it. Not because they are better, but because they already have the entrenched position of power and status.
As you said previously, "those who participate in the prominent blogosphere (the 'official' conversation) are from a very limited set of backgrounds, both personal and ideological."
This is the key log. Putting checks on the accuracy of Yggles or David Brooks for that matter wouldn't open up their parallel, closed discourses. They're clubs that protect their members even when they break the law. The whole point of such secured loops is keeping out alternative or radical voices, the barbarians at the gates.
Joe Klein, an ostensible liberal, is thrilled to engage Charles Krauthammer numerous times a year, b/c ultimately they complete one another. Yet anyone to the left of his center-right position is ignored. Digby is happy to document the latest right-wing atrocities but how often does she link to/engage the many voices to her left who stray beyond lesser-evilism.
I'm inclined to agree with you, J. Otto-- but at least it's a model! One subject to reform.
Freddie:
Wasn't MY once on the Rhee bandwagon? While he isn't as bad as Ezra Klein on the "I want to be the next David Broder" train, he's not a lot better either.
jcapan:
Can you name a voice that's to the left of Digby, and that people might have at least heard of?
"jcapan:
Can you name a voice that's to the left of Digby, and that people might have at least heard of?"
Sure. Off the top of my head:
John Caruso
Avedon Carol
Ian Welsh
Chris Floyd
Ioz
Arthur Silber
Jonathan Schwarz
Bruce A. Dixon
Arthur Silber
Noam Chomsky
The late Howard Zinn
Not to mention numerous of her own commenters who, as is the case with Yggles, are ignored completely.
jcapan:
She links to Jon Schwarz a fair amount; usually it's almost always in agreement. IOZ hates digby almost as much as Yggles, and he's more nihilist/watching the system kill itself than actively do anything about it anyway. Avedon Carol guest blogs at Atrios sometimes. Pretty sure Silber doesn't blog anymore (could be wrong). Fair enough about Caruso, I guess. However, I wouldn't count Welsh in the same category as the rest. He's not above both parties, and I'm pretty sure he voted for Obama.
When you're talking ideologically, I doubt any of these people -- save the anarchists like IOZ -- are actually to "the left" of digby, they just don't operate in a two party system because they're privileged.
"Also, criticisms of policing don't actually take the form of calls for widespread privatization, nor the destruction of police unions, which are the goals of the education reform movement and are transparently conservative/libertarian."
Would this mechanism of accountability have something to say about blatant lies like the one above? MY, like quite a lot of ed reform people, has repeatedly said that he does not want to privatize the school system, nor break up the teacher's union. Rather he wants, like most left-of-center ed reform types, to have the public school system work better. You keep saying he said things he didn't say. Seems accountability has broken down rather seriously around these parts.
@ThatFuzzyBastard:
Supporting charter schools, which include chains run for-profit, amounts to the privatization of public schools. This is similar to debates over Social Security and Medicare - proponents of privatization know its unpopular and therefore choose to describe it as "reform".
@ Ranjit: MY has said many times that he's interested in charter schools that would function as public schools with the ability to develop unique curricula, and he constantly mocks for-profit private schools. Freddie is lying about what MY---and other liberal-to-left ed reform proponents---believe. Pity there's no mechanism of accountability other than blog comments for that.
You are, my persistent troll, being dishonest in your accusation of dishonesty. Yglesias is talking about broad criticisms of a broad ed reform movement. I am describing the consequences of the policy preferences of that broad constituency. If you really believe that neoliberal reformers don't call for what is in substance if not in nomenclature privatization, you are a poorly read ignoramus.
Now, please: since you are serially dishonest, don't like what I say, and don't contribute anything of substance, why bother coming around here anymore?
In answer to your question: Because you keep lying, and I fear that if there's no pushback in the comments, vulnerable young minds may read your (rhetorically skillful) falsehoods and think they're true. You have enough linkage---and good enough writing skills---to be an actual danger to anyone who actually cares about improving education, government, or the left as a whole.
Why just here in the comments, you're lying about the "policy preferences of that constituency". Yglesias, like quite a few ed reformers, has said he wants unionized public schools that achieve better educational outcomes. You then scream that ed reformers want to privatize and union-bust. As a result of you and people like you, the quest to improve educational outcomes keeps being ceded to those who really do want to privatize and union bust, since there the only ones who can muster support for any change to the existing (failed) system. I don't know if that's because you're just fiercely opposed to anything that might upset your tenure-seeking applecart, or if you really are so angry that you can't do reading comprehension. But you're lying, and it sucks.
First: charter schools don't work. The mechanisms that you say Yglesias prefers are failures.
Now, you are making grand claims for both Matt Yglesias and the education reform movement. To say that he does not attack teachers unions regularly is to betray any knowledge of his blog. You are, conveniently, not citing any specific posts or arguments at all. Right? Where is your evidence that he is supporting the model you say he is supporting? Search for "teachers unions" on his blog and you will find dozens and dozens of posts attacking them. You allege dishonesty and offer no evidence.
Now, you will find that, as is his habit, Yglesias writes so often that it's hard to synthesize what, exactly, his views are. But to uncritically and simplistically define for him that he is not antagonistic to the teachers unions is a sham. It is a sham. And if you want to show me one post where he seems sympathetic to them, I can show you twelve where he is critical of them. As honesty and critical understanding would demonstrate.
What are your credentials, again, exactly? I hold a masters degree in a pedagogy and education related field. I spend all day, every day a)taking classes on pedagogy and education, b)teaching, c)developing new research on pedagogy and education, and d)reading extant scholarship on education and pedagogy. I am earning a doctorate at a major research university in an educational field. That doesn't mean you have to buy what I say. But it does mean that you have to show me something beyond trolling to convince me of anything. What is your argument? That the education reform movement is not critical of teacher unions? You say that our educational system has failed but you offer no citations for that claim, no qualification for its breadth, no description of what you mean by that term, no knowledge of scale or attrition, no statistical grounding, nothing. What have you done to demonstrate even minimal competence on these issues so that I might be interested in debating with you? You don't have the juice. Sorry.
I do this all day, every day. You are a self-described "filmmaker, VJ, and Brookyln bon vivant." Now I know the name "David McKleinfeld" rings from the halls of cinema, MTV, and Williamsburg, but if you want to talk to me about honesty or about education, you have to come with evidence. Otherwise, I'm not interested. Sorry. Find another blog to troll, or give people a reason to care about your own.
Ahh, credentializing. Everyone know there's nothing more persuasive than flashing a degree. I wonder if you find it so plausible in discussions of economics, or history; certainly you don't in foreign policy.
Yes, MY is very critical of teachers' unions. So's anyone who seriously cares about improving American primary school education. Quite a number of my friends are public school teachers, and they are fiercely critical of the teachers' unions, because they see it as part (not all) of the problem. And they're right. Anyone who actually teaches---as opposed to going to grad school---knows quite well that teachers' unions have to change if the schools are going to improve. You insist that anyone who wants them to change wants them to be destroyed. Which is a lie, but a dangerously self-fulfilling one.
You're free to carry on insisting that there's nothing wrong that more money can't cure. And you will thus continue to lose ground. Your blog displays nothing of the statistical knowledge you claim to have---just attacks on people like MY who actually do post facts and figures and all that other stuff you say you have at your fingertips yet never deploy.
That comment has nothing to do with the discussion we've had. Your post is riddled with unfounded assumptions (the presences of strong teachers unions is positively correlated with academic success, for example), as well as a complaint about credentialism that is immediately followed by a different kind of credentialism, when you treat your public school teacher friends as authorities. But what's really important is that you are just disagreeing with me about content. That is a separate issue than this bizarre, resentful dance you keep doing about dishonesty. What is this weird negative obsession?
Whether teachers unions are detrimental to educational efforts is of course a matter of great controversy. The education reform movement has thus far failed to provide consistent, compelling evidence to support the claim that they are. Pretending that I'm somehow alone in defending them is ridiculous. Continuing this bizarre obsession with my blog, when you don't find it worth reading, is of no use to anyone.
Now if you want to see some of my more substantive work on education, you might look at some of my posts on Balloon Juice, where I house most of those. As far as my academic work, that is not for public consumption. And this is my blog, dude. I'll post about what I want. Today I read statistical data on the University of Michigan's directed self-placement regime for over an hour and a half. I don't want to come home and write about it when I'm off the clock, and I don't think anyone who reads this blog would care to read that level of minutiae. You don't have to like that, but you have to accept that it's my decision.
Now, enough. You are not welcome here. You have contributed nothing of substance. You have maintained nothing resembling a consistent argument about what, exactly, you're critiquing. You refuse to supply evidence for your arguments. You jump from one foot to another about how precisely I'm failing my readers, depending on which argument you feel might be more cutting at any particular time. You changed your tune about Yglesias on a dime. You act as though my some of views are anathema when they are shared by broad constituencies. You allege dishonesty and participate in it yourself. Enough. I am asking you not to return here.
If you just want to be relevant in this discussion, go on your own blog and contribute to the discussion in a constructive way. I wish you well and high traffic. But you're not interested in accountability. You have developed some bizarre fixation on my blog, and I'm tired of it.
This has nothing to do with your main point about accountability for bloggers and academics, but in the past I've commented here in defense of MY on education, and I thought I'd mention that I agree with you that the police-teacher comparison was Yglesias at his absolute worst.
The dishonesty charge began some time back, actually---you first came to my attention when you were lying about Juan Cole's posts on Libya. That time, I actually quoted precisely what you accused Cole of saying, and what he actually said, and you responded with snarky tripe.
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