Thursday, January 1, 2009

truly typical

Via Rod Dreher, here's a classic example of the establishment media's take on Israel/Palestine-- all Israel, all the time, without a hint of neutrality or balance. That's fine within this individual piece; op/eds and commentary aren't required to show balance. But, of course, the idea that The Washington Post would run such a screed if it was pro-Palestinian is so absurd it doesn't merit denying. That's the American media and Israel, one side, all the time. The op/eds and commentaries calling for moderation or restraint on the part of Israel, meanwhile, (including mine!) take every opportunity to attack Hamas and remind everyone involved that Israel must be defended. The supposed extremists, again, are the ones who make every appropriate caveat and concession, while the supposed moderates expect absolute fidelity to one side and one position, and will attempt to excommunicate those who don't play ball with accusations of bigotry.

Bonus points to this guy for straightfowardly making the "Hamas is worse so Israel can never do wrong" argument. It's nice to see empty moral rhetoric that's actually just hanging out there for all to see. Also nice, the "intentions are the only thing that matter" argument, which I'm sure would come as a surprise to, say, a Vietnamese family that has endured cancer and horrible birth defects thanks to Agent Orange. And, again-- the idea that this episode leaves Hamas weaker is utterly contrary to history. Assaults like this one feed Hamas, playing directly into the extremism and violence that keeps that horrible organization alive.

Of course, some my commenters will soon appear to tell me that, somehow, my criticism of this guy's commentary is still somehow strawmanning. I don't know, maybe they'll claim that there's no such thing as The Washington Post.

Update: I like arguing politics, you know? It's one of my passions. That's part of why this conversation about the conversation is important, because on a national, mainstream level, we don't really have an argument about Israel and Palestine. We have one side of an argument. That's part of why Glenn Greenwald is doing such yeoman work; he's demonstrating the weird condition of a situation in American political life where we only hear one side of the tale. That's a big problem in a democracy, and people like myself are trying to change it, to open the debate to new opinions. I'm not looking to invite people who are out to kill innocent Israelis into the discussion. I'm looking to invite people who don't tow the same predictable extremist line that our MSM does.

18 comments:

Observer said...

It must be comforting to be a figure of such sublime moral judgment, of such recognizable rectitude. Your critics are unbalanced, ignorant or illiterate. Their arguments at odds with reality and intellectually dishonest. How nice.

Of course, instead of searching out a relatively thinly-reasoned op-ed and declaring it 'classic,' you might have tried tackling a more nuanced argument. You substitute assertion for fact. Do you really think that critics of Israel in this country are gagged, their views repressed? That must be why Walt and Mearsheimer received so little notice; why a Lexis search for their names turns up thousands of hits.

You mistake consensus for repression. The reason why views like yours are not commonly found on the op-ed pages of this nation is that they are simplistic and poorly reasoned. It takes a peculiar contempt for democracy to assume that the people are either ignorant or deluded, and that their overwhelming judgment cannot possibly be correct. There's no grand conspiracy at work, no deus ex machina. It's simpler than that. Most people in this country who look at the Middle East are more sympathetic to Israel than to her foes. That may be difficult for you to accept, but it happens to be the case.

Freddie said...

Actually, a large majority of Americans do and have support an even-handed approach from the United States towards the divide, one which favors neither side. That has been the case for some time now.

http://www.worldpublicopinion.org/pipa/articles/international_security_bt/503.php?lb=btis&pnt=503&nid=&id=

Max said...

you need to look deeper into your claim that there is no chance of this operation achieving the desired result. the formula 'violence enrages the enemy, therefore causes more violence; therefore objectives are not met' is true in a vacuum, but these circumstances are unique.

It's not usually a mistake to be on Larison's side of a foreign policy issue, but I believe you're both wrong. This operation can position Israel for a comprehensive ceasefire agreement. It's not a sure thing but it has a better than even chance of success. Gaza IS NOT Lebanon. You need to understand that.

If your perspective is that 'this can't possibly work,' I understand frustration with the op. But I really think you need to do more homework.

Freddie said...

Max, explain for me the circumstances under which this assault will actual dissolve Hamas, or otherwise reach Israel's ends. Olmert has specifically said that Hamas is going to remain in power after this conflagration; why shouldn't I believe him? Someone do me a favor and tell me how this assault helps Israel.

Max said...

here's my full take so far: http://somepolitical.blogspot.com/2009/01/other-ways-to-ceasefire.html

in bullet points: despite some grandstanding early on, the critical objective is not to remove hamas from power (personally I think that would actually be a mistake). the objective is to disarm Hamas.

nobody, including me, believes that permanent disarmament is possible. but if Israel can get a one-year break from rockets, then the Israeli govt gains the political capital to easy the siege on the Strip, in turn giving moderate forces in Gaza the capital to start advancing their agenda again.

the reason I emphasize that this isn't lebanon is that in Lebanon, Israel couldn't control rearmament. It was all or nothing -- either destroy Hizbullah or wait to get hit again. And here we are, still waiting.

Hamas is different. They've seriously pissed Egypt off, and the Rafah crossing was their only way of smuggling more weapons. If Israel can get in on the ground and destroy the last Hamas' armaments, an actual lull becomes possible. And a serious lull actually does have the potential to change the political architecture in the region.

Max said...

completely outside the argument, if you ever believe anything Olmert says, I've got a bridge to sell you.

Freddie said...

Those are good points; I'll have to continue to mull it over. You can forgive me for doubting that anything that happens in this pitiable conflict will actually change things, right?

Max said...

yes, and I would be in the same position if I hadn't been over here working on two-state stuff long enough to know how totally frustrating the Gaza situation is, and ready to find hope for regime change there in the slightest chance.

E.D. Kain said...

Max, good points--but--can anything ever truly be resolved in Gaza if nothing is resolved in the West Bank?

And there, too, can anything truly be resolved with the refugee question unanswered?

And of course, since Israel can't in any imaginable way welcome back the refugees...can anything really be resolved in this conflict at all?

I'm feeling extremely dubious at this point. I do know that America needs to engage all parties (even pseudo-terrorist groups) in diplomatic negotiations immediately.

This unwavering, unquestioning support of Israel is actually doing a great deal more damage than good at this point. We can support Israel by sitting down with all the involved parties. We can support Israel without supporting every action they make.

Max said...

I fully agree with you about unconditional support. I've been ranting about it on my blog since the Gaza altercation started.

If you want to start building a path to reconciliation, I think a good entrance is this Foreign Affairs paper: http://www.foreignaffairs.org/previews/4738/20090101faessay88105/walter-russell-mead/change-they-can-believe-in.html?mode=print

The West Bank settlements need to be dismantled, and the settlers brought back behind the 67 borders. The separation barrier needs to be rerouted to avoid Arab villages. But to do these things, the government (which, even the Likud I believe, is secretly in favor of them) needs political capital. THE ONLY WAY to obtain this capital is to stop the attacks on Israel. It takes the wind out of the sails of the right wing.

Peace in Israel is and always will be a longshot, I think. But we ought to be taking advantage of every opportunity nonetheless. I can't overstate how much of a problem Hamas is for moderates in Israel and Palestine. They NEED to go, and this is the best shot we've had in many, many years to start that process.

paul said...

I'm not seeing how what you said actually refuted anything in that op-ed ... maybe you could comment on a few things in there? Like that Israel tried their absolute hardest to minimize civilian casualties, etc. (Which is not to say that there's enough sympathy for the Palestinian side of the argument, because there isn't; I agree with you on that, at least.)

Also, just as a warning; you're really, really, really beginning to come across as smug and ridiculous, and I say this as someone who has been a fan of your blog for a while. I'm guessing it's just a particularly obvious manifestation of the "I have a giant chip on my shoulder because I didn't go to Ivy league schools but I'm still extremely brilliant" thing, except you're not bothering with the self-effacing stuff now. Honestly it's reminding me of reading Andrew Sullivan sometimes, where you just cringe that someone could not see how transparent their own psychological issues are becoming ...

paul said...

Now that I sit here thinking about it; yeah, seriously. It's also reminding me of Greenwald, the shrill melodramatic "only I'm right and everyone else is totally blind to the truth! If you're not outraged you're not paying attention!" Accusing others of Manicheism, or whatever, and not seeing how ridiculous your own position is ... all wars, just or unjust, involve the death of civilians, and the best one can do is try to avoid those deaths. I'm sure gives you a warm feeling inside to roundly condemn the killing of innocents, but it's such a safe and obvious 'pacifist' position ... well.

Anonymous said...

Max

I hope you continue to post here and on your blog about the I/P situation. There's such an appalling dearth of thoughtful nuanced commentary in the MSM that it was incredibly refreshing to read your blog post. Most of the commentary I've seen are the same depressing ideological arguments grafted to the I/P situation. You're also absolutely right about western governments ignoring the situation until the latest acts of violence. The West's ahistorical reaction, reflected in the media is so frustrating and depressing.

I'm also extremely puzzled by some of the reactions on this blog. Freddie's blog has always been about "intellectual heartfelt sincerity". He's never deviated from the formula and I find it odd that people simply try to dismiss him as shrill or indulging in pacifist grandstanding.

Read Freddie for the sorely needed human factor and read the War Nerd over at the Exile for the other stuff (still waiting for him to comment).

Dave Hunter said...

"The West Bank settlements need to be dismantled, and the settlers brought back behind the 67 borders. The separation barrier needs to be rerouted to avoid Arab villages. But to do these things, the government (which, even the Likud I believe, is secretly in favor of them) needs political capital. THE ONLY WAY to obtain this capital is to stop the attacks on Israel. It takes the wind out of the sails of the right wing."

OK, just a second. Let me stop you there and see if I'm following your argument. Israel has seized land from another people. They have settled and developed that land. They built a fence around their seized holdings.

Now, every political entity in Israel would like to give this land back, though some parties, maintain theatrical opposition to the idea. However, in order to gain the political capital to do the thing that everybody secretly wants to do, they need to kill a few hundred people, in order to (possibly) put a stop to the ineffective rocket attacks.

I don't find that a very compelling defense of the destruction Israel has just willfully caused.

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